1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Part of the work is done in offices, with computers, but the vital part remains handwork. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,000 We work in various laboratories... 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,600 This lab, I will open it... 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Is entirely devoted to cultivating human tissue, the tiny organs. 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,000 The environment is completely sterile, hence the lab coats... 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,320 (interviewer) The organoids? Can we see them in this lab? 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,400 Yes, although I am not sure if we can see them right now... shall we just go in? 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,800 (interviewer) Yes please 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Do you have something, an organoid, that we can see on the microscope? 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 (student) Yes 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:58,000 The cells are kept cool, so as to limit their growth, the cabinets are dust-free. 12 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,120 They are actually borrowed technique from space travel sciences. 13 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:11,840 The air is being filtered, because the bacteria in it fall on the cultures and kill them. 14 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,920 You can also see the gloves, lab coats... 15 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:30,000 This is a kind of modern Petri dish, actually 12 small Petri dishes on a plate. 16 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:38,080 They contain the nutrients, like carbohydrates and fats, and the grow factors we add. 17 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:52,520 If you do that correctly you see the organoids growing. We split them manually so that they continue growing. 18 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,520 This splitting is carried out every week, right? 19 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,040 (student) Yes. 20 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,040 These are kidney organoids? 21 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,040 Yes, tiny kidneys. 22 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,720 (interviewer) Is this a potential kidney? 23 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,720 So far it is just kidney cells, a kidney is an incredibly complex organ. 24 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,000 It has multiple layers of cells 25 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:21,640 We have just started this... have you figured out yet what type this is? 26 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,000 (student) This is mainly the functional tube part of the kidney. 27 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,800 The other part is still in development, we are still working on that. 28 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,800 This is nevertheless an important part of the kidney, and we can cultivate it quite well. 29 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,800 A kidney is very complex, we probably have to cultivate several components independently. 30 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,200 When we put everything together, my prediction would be... 31 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,200 That nature works in a way that instigates the spontaenous generation of a kidney. 32 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,160 We are not there yet, but the great thing is, we can cultivate these cells from urine. 33 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:09,200 There are always kidney cells in urine. You can use the urine from patients and healthy persons. 34 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,200 (interviewer) So this is alive? 35 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,200 This is growing, yes, but it is now cooling down slowly. 36 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,200 However, at a temperature of about 37 degrees celsius, you can witness the cell division. 37 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:33,200 Tomorrow this organoid is probably too big, so we then have to fragmentize it. 38 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,200 So it will fragmentize, but thereafter reorganise itself, become an organoid, and grow again. 39 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:44,200 There is no end to this process. If we know the initial conditions, which are different for every organ... 40 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:52,200 It is a bit trial-and-error to come to know the conditions, but you can repeat this endlessly. 41 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,000 You can do it 2-3 times a week. Some organoids grow in tenfold measure, so if you do that for a year... 42 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:05,000 You will have a universe full of intestines, or prostates, perhaps something you would not like... 43 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,000 We all learned that there is a limit to cell division. Normal cell division has a limit... 44 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Because we think that endless growth equals cancer. This appears not to be the case. 45 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,440 How old is this culture? 46 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,400 (student) This one is 4 months old. 47 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,200 Growing continuously. 48 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,400 (interviewer) But how big is this culture in reality? 49 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:43,400 (student) This is about one milimeter, actually. 50 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 You can see them with the naked eye. 51 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,000 If you dare to lift the cover... bacteria and dust will fall in the dish, that is really bad. 52 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:10,000 You can see little globules, that is where these structures are in, there's a little condense so a bit hard to see... 53 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 (interviewer) You are holding a small box with life! 54 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 (student) That's right. 55 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 (student) So I have to look trough the microscope as I usually do? 56 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Here are thin slices of organoid tissue, packed on small glass. 57 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:13,000 There is not that much to see, but there is a variety of ways, colour tagging methods... 58 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 To make a variety of things visible in the tissue. 59 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:23,000 This is classic stuff, what happens in a hospital, for example. 60 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Purple is a general colour, different tints of purple reveal inflammations, normal tissue, viruses, and so on. 61 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,000 (interviewer) Can you identify these things as well? 62 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:45,840 For intestines - this is from a mouse, I can in this case, but pathologists know hundreds of diseases... 63 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:53,840 I have to look up things and consult others. Also, mice are not humans, so its different. 64 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:58,840 This is very important in a lab: music. There are endless discussions... 65 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:06,840 Music on? Music off? What kind of music? We now have two labs: one without and one with music. 66 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:17,840 This is also quite standard. With the help of an electromagnetic field and a fluid... 67 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,840 You can transfer tiny bits of DNA from the one side of the device to the other. 68 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:31,840 Bigger pieces tend to transfer slower, that is how we separate bits of DNA. 69 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,840 Think of typical images of forensic DNA research. 70 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:42,840 Producing a lot of DNA, cutting it into pieces, and comparing the pattern to the DNA of the potential culprit. 71 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,840 It is just basic molecular biology. 72 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:56,840 (interviewer) You do not have to show everything, only the things vital for your reserach. 73 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:09,000 This is the molecular biologist's essential tool. They are property like a pistol, or violin. It does the work. 74 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:16,000 P20. You set it, and basically what you do is extracting and injecting fluids. 75 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:22,000 That is the way to design every step in the DNA. 76 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 It happens always in this kind of tube. 77 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,000 If I want to cut the DNA, I add an enzyme, precisely on one location, which cuts it. 78 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Then you have two pieces, which I can mix, add, you name it. 79 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 This is the core of molecular biology. 80 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,000 This is the microscope and we see the organoid sample on the screen. You see lasers, cabinets, and so on... 81 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Biologists never build their own devices. Physicists do. We work with industry and usually buy devices. 82 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:09,880 This is beautiful. Can you turn it? 83 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,880 This is the size of a normal liver. 84 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Every red area is one cell. You can see the nuclei. 85 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,880 Blue is a nucleus, purple is the boundary of the cells. 86 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,880 In all of these cells, there is at least one nucleus. 87 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,880 It is a bit difficult to see... can you see all the nuclei? 88 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,640 (student) It is difficult. Unfortunately, we don't really see the boundaries between the cells. 89 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:11,640 The flipside is beautiful, with the nuclei... 90 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,640 A liver has two cell types: we colour them red and green, and we see this liver generates them both. 91 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,640 (interviewer) But you add these colours. 92 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:32,640 Yes, but the possibilities are endless. It depends on what is informative. 93 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:46,640 The student tries to make much more tissue in three dimensoins. He uses a nylon threads... 94 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:54,640 The nylon meshwork apparently enhances the growth of the tissues quite well. 95 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:06,640 Together we thought of implementing the meshwork in patients, but made from biodegradables. 96 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:14,640 It may support this particular tissue structure. We ordered it, we hope that it works out for us. 97 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,640 What you see is a plug, it is only half a centimeter big, we could implement it in a liver. 98 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,640 Probably it will grow quite easily from there. We see that happening in mice already.